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Tuesday, December 31, 2024
Monday, December 30, 2024
A Tribute to President Jimmy Carter by Rev. Diane Dougherty ARCWP and President Jimmy Carter's Address to Catholic Reformers' Meeting at Call to Action
In this particular photo, we are both laughing because I reminded him of a comment he made to Pope Francis that when the Catholic Church ordained women, he would become Catholic. I told him that could happen now because I was an ordained priest in the Catholic Church and my church-the Church of the Visitation-was located right here in Georgia. He is an honorary member.
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| President Jimmy Carter and Rev. Diane Dougherty ARCWP |
2/22/23
I am now 10 years a priest-and go back to the day of my commitment-having no idea where that would lead but open to what comes next. Ordained in the First Metropolitan Church after 1 1/2 years of searching-I was received by the gay community as the only "Institution" that would allow me to be ordained in their church. They were a harbor in the storm of stepping out into the future and still are.
I invited many dignitaries, most particularly the Archbishop of Atlanta-letting him know he had the first chair at the table....and Jimmy Carter-a long time advocate for women's rights. Little did I know that Carter, of all people, would send me personal congratulations....a treasure in my basket of affirmations.
Not long after that, I was invited to participate in two Carter Center Human Rights Defenders Workshops. One centered around his book-A Call to Action-Women, Religion, Violence and Power was presented. Janet Blakeley's niece asked if she could attend with us and I made these arrangements ....
These gatherings defined in me the overwhelming undue influence of culture wars that impact women, most particularly the role religion played worldwide- and the unending energy, persistence and commitment women are making at all sectors of society to bring the message of equality and justice within our society.
Shortly after that, Barb Zeman and I were asked by Call to Action USA to see if Jimmy would give the Opening Address at their 40th Anniversary. We collaborated on the Address and sent it to Carter-who then re-wrote everything from his memory and heart. I was invited to attend the taping and presented him with t shirts for Rosalyn and himself and gave them 2 ARCWP pins and a copy of Pink Smoke Over the Vatican. In this particular photo, we are both laughing because I reminded him of a comment he made to Pope Francis that when the Catholic Church ordained women, he would become Catholic. I told him that could happen now because I was an ordained priest in the Catholic Church and my church-the Church of the Visitation-was located right here in Georgia. He is an honorary member.
As he moves onto the next stage of his journey, we will be glued together in the hopes and dreams of multitudes wishing to bring about a world that works without violence and power brokers, especially Churches and denominations that recognize if we are equal in the Sight of God, we are called by God to work to develop structures that are equal in the sight of us all.
Attached is a copy of Carter's script for CTA. Profound words-even today.
Diane Dougherty, ARCWP
Avondale Estates, GA 30002
678-918-1945
President Jimmy Carter'sAddress to Call to Action
Good evening Call to Action USA.
As I have learned about you, I realize we share common roots. At the time I was elected president in 1976, Pope Paul VI called on Catholics to take a more active role in bringing justice to our world. He said that your actions would lead to transformation, which I see as constitutive to preaching the gospel. In the past 38 years, your actions are truly good news and a shining light within a society that desperately needs the changes we seek.
Since 1976 the initiatives of Call to Action have carried the voice of hope. You wrap your arms around a gospel that brings the good news to those thrown to the margins of society by unjust laws, political unrest and discriminatory practices. You are a social and political voice in our time.
In my book A Call To Action, I address the issues of disparity in gender, race, wealth and age. I do not see this struggle in terms of any one religion-rather, it is a global societal struggle embedded in the fabric of every society and the religions they espouse. So I join you today in solidarity as you continue to forage ahead with your mission as leaders and companions on this journey.
During your time together this weekend, and after 38 years of hard labor in the field, you are still faced with a church that models our society in marginalizing many of its women, its people of color, LGBTQ people, and, in fact all those who question any portion of the Church's interpretation of Jesus’ mission. However, you continue to find a way through these difficult societal and religious issues and, by your very tenacity, you are creating currents of change.
I believe with you that the world’s discrimination and violence against women and girls is the most serious, pervasive and ignored violation of basic human rights. This constitutes the sin of sexism. The liberation of women demands full participation at the decision making table and most particularly within religious bodies. This is a goal we all share.
When the Human Rights Defenders Forum at the Carter Center found the reluctance of human rights forums to intersect with religious leaders your group, Call to Action USA, never ceased to advocate for structural change within your denomination. You have continued to follow your Call by leading through voice and action, especially in the face of much rejection. As you advocate within your local communities to confront internal structures that oppress, we at the Carter Center and many activists throughout the world, join with you in solidarity. We support your efforts to see through the eyes of anti-racism and anti oppression giving witness to the just practices that are needed in the 21st century.
Working for justice and equality in the church and in our communities are one in the same in terms of importance and urgency.
As I call all people to forcefully speak out against abuses, you give voice to that call. Together we are learning to call each other to stand up and speak out, to challenge unjust rules and to change the structures we can change. Thus, we limit the power of those who are divisive and closed minded … those who exclude others in the name of that faith.
You are leaders in the development of comprehensive practices that are changing so many churches today. Your secret lies in initiatives like your Just Church Program.With the call to Women’s Ordination in 1981, at the same time we were trying to pass the Equal Rights Amendment, you have, for almost 4 decades, continued to work for women’s equality
Your advocacy of racial and church worker justice stands as a guiding light and beacon of hope to many who desire to bring change to the religious practices steeped in unconscious support of discrimination that promotes economic inequality.
By standing with the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, The Roman Catholic Women Priests Movement, and Corpus –the support group for married priests, you continue to give voice and visual recognition to women of agency.
Your continued support of Dignity USA and the LGBTQ community and their struggle for equality shows the world what it is like to envision a church that truly welcomes all and continues to struggle non-violently until these goals are accomplished.
Through your liturgical inclusion of women priests and support of the Women's Ordination Conference, so many people are becoming aware of the need for a renewed and inclusive church, one that offers the graces of a God who is with us and desires we be one.
You boldly declare that the Catholic Church is both the People of God and the hierarchy. As you continue to struggle to make your mark, your action gives witness that when we enter into this struggle, we create the vision our world so badly needs.
Continue to follow your call to bring about a Just Church. Give witness to the possibilities that society will change. You are agents of that change. You are leading the way.
I stand with you, Call To Action, in the valiant struggle to move our faith, our country, and our planet forward.
Friday, December 27, 2024
Article about Belen Repiso ARCWP , Her Ministry as a Priest and Exorcist in Spain by Rebecca Pasalodos Perez
"The woman from Valladolid who claims to be a priest and exorcist: dedicated to others, challenging conventions
She claims to be the second woman in Spain to be ordained a priest despite not being recognized by the Catholic Church and the first to perform exorcisms"
"Is faith sincere when it does not act?" asked the French poet Jean-Baptiste Racine in the 17th century. Belén Repiso (Valladolid, 1958) was called by her faith and her calling led her to act. Belén claims to be the second woman to be ordained a priest in Spain and the only one in the world who also works as an exorcist . Her life has been a path of service to others, guided by a deep religious vocation and an unwavering desire to help those most in need.
From a very young age, Repiso felt the call of faith : "The first thing that came into my life, obviously, was the vocation," she confesses. At 14, educated by two "very famous, very revolutionary" priests in Valladolid, she longed to follow their example and bring Christ to all people. She actively participated in the Church as a catechist, but the idea of the priesthood seemed impossible to her within the Catholic Church, so she repressed her vocation : "It was an inner call that you have, but you appease it because you see that it is not possible ," she remembers. "Rather than appease it, you repress it and it is not good to repress anything in this life ."
However, her life was always marked by helping others . Repiso, divorced and with two children, founded the first help centre for drug addicts in Valladolid, the first association for single mothers and later for separated mothers. For 35 years she gave self-esteem courses to women and ran three shelters for victims of abuse. She always asked herself: "Who are the poorest?" and directed her efforts to helping them.
Her interest in the world of exorcisms was sparked at the age of 13 when she saw the film 'The Exorcist': "It had a huge impact on me ," she admits. The film had a profound effect on her, awakening in her a mixture of fascination and terror. Years later, with the shop she runs just opened, she decided to face her fears. She spent a year and a half researching the subject: "I bit my nails from the fear I had, but I said: 'I have to get over this, it can't be'" . She even contacted a renowned Spanish exorcist, author of numerous books on the subject, and he recommended that she not enter that world.
The hard experiences as an exorcist
Despite the advice, life brought her face to face with the devil . Two months later, a young woman came into her shop seeking help. During the conversation, the young woman confessed that "strange things" were happening to her . The girl was really physically consumed and Repiso asked her to come back to her shop another day. During the conversation, the now nun from Valladolid began to suspect a possible possession, so she offered her a cross of Saint Benedict, at which point she witnessed how the young woman suddenly changed "with her eyes rolled back and a voice from beyond the grave, it cannot be defined" and said "you leave this one, it's mine, eh?"
Belén asked the voice , "Who are you?" but it refused to answer. Repiso continued to question the entity, warning it: "Do you know that you don't have to be there?" To which the voice responded threateningly: "If you don't leave it, I'll kill you ." Belén Repiso calmly replied firmly: "You can't do anything to me because God is with me ." It was at that moment that the girl came to.
This experience marked a turning point in Repiso's life . After consulting the famous exorcist again, she began a long journey to try to help this young woman. Repiso describes this first encounter with a possession as a shocking experience: "At that moment, I felt a peace and tranquility: this is what I have come to do in this world."
In her search for help for the young girl, Belén was met with a refusal from the Catholic Church . No priest in Valladolid agreed to perform an exorcism. "Some denied the existence of the devil, others had no time, others were afraid, others did not even want to talk about it. I did not find a single priest ." Disillusioned, she considered joining the Anglican Church in order to help the young woman and other people suffering from possessions: "I said: 'OK, then I'll go with the Anglicans.' In fact, I was talking to the bishop of Madrid. I said: 'I'll go with the Anglicans, I'll become a priest and an exorcist to help this girl, because it's not just this girl, all the people who have these problems, who helps them ?'"
With this young woman, she managed to get the important Spanish exorcist she had contact with to come and try to help her. A long path of exorcisms began , which only involve specific prayers, in which it was determined that she was possessed by five demons . Four of them were expelled, she says.
It was at this moment that Repiso had a profound reflection . She realized that people suffering from demonic possessions were the "new poor" , abandoned by society and the Church, and she decided to dedicate her life to helping them. Remembering her vocation to help those most in need, from gypsies in slums to single mothers and victims of abuse, she realized that these people were now the most in need: "Now the poor, the poorest, who are they? And I realized that they are these people, because these people do not know where to go."
Repiso describes some of the exorcisms in which she has participated , recounting shocking phenomena such as witnessing the appearance of letters on the skin, the superhuman strength of the possessed and the ability of demons to know the interior of people: "I have seen, for example, letters appear before my eyes on the chest that Beelzebub put on the skin. I have seen a person who weighs 40 kg throw six people." In one of the most shocking exorcisms, the demons revealed to her that they had been the ones who "pushed the train" that caused the death of his partner years before: "A demon that we were trying to exorcise told me: 'It was us who pushed the train. ' And that exorcism is the one that has taught me the most, because I learned to what extent they know us and control us and know our weak points [...] to what extent they know the spring they have to give so that you lose control . "
The path to the priesthood
Repiso's experience as an exorcist led her to question the structures of the Catholic Church . She was confronted by the Church's refusal to allow lay people to speak during exorcisms, although in her case they were allowed to do so because of their ability to control them: "Lay people are not allowed to speak to demons, but they did allow me because they obeyed me ." Repiso recounts how she has been expelled from churches for speaking "the truth of the gospel" and how she has defied established norms to help those in need: "I have been thrown out of churches day in and day out. They would grab me by the ears and drag me out."
The desire to serve God through the sacraments led her to return to her former priestly vocation : "Because I want to celebrate the Eucharist ," she replied to Cristina Moreira when she asked her why she wanted to be a priest. Through a friend, she contacted Cristina, the first woman to claim to have been ordained a priest in Spain , who belongs to the Association of Roman Catholic Women Priests . This association, founded in 2002 by seven women, seeks the ordination of women within the Catholic Church and has the support of some progressive bishops and theologians, especially German ones.
Repiso began the training process by submitting an application, providing endorsements and undergoing a psychological evaluation: "I had to present a lot of documentation, a psychological report to prove that I was mentally well ." After a period of theological study, she says she was ordained a deacon and three days later a priest in Rome, on a ship, just like the founders of the association. Currently, canon law does not recognize female priests.
Repiso's ordination, although valid by apostolic succession, is not recognised by the Catholic Church . She is aware of this ambiguity: "In the eyes of the official Catholic Church, is my ordination valid? No. In the eyes of Christ, my ordination is valid. Yes ." She claims that her obedience is to Christ and not to the norms of the Church when these deviate from the Gospel: "Who do I have to obey? I have to obey Christ always . " She believes that Pope Francis agrees with the ordination of women, but cannot express it openly due to pressure from the conservative sector: "The Pope is in two places, two chairs and he is sitting badly. We have the most progressive theological line and we have the other ultra-conservative one. So, the Pope himself is in one telling us: 'Keep making noise'; and on the other hand calming the others so that there is no schism in the church."
Despite the criticism and opposition, Repiso continues with her pastoral work : "I have already celebrated the Eucharist, I have celebrated confessions, I have some boys who want to marry me, I have a child who is waiting for me to baptize him. The day before yesterday I went to give extreme unction to a man in the hospital ." Her objective is "to lead people to God ," delving into the essence of faith and challenging the rigid structures that, in her opinion, move away from the true message of the gospel: "There are those who have asked me to baptize them again, because when they were baptized, they didn't understand anything and had no idea what a sacrament was. And that is my idea, to lead people to God."
Belén Repiso's life is a testimony of courage, compassion and commitment to faith . Faith that leads to action and to being with those in need. Her fight for the recognition of women in the Church and her work as an exorcist make her an inspiring figure who challenges established norms and opens a path for inclusion and justice within the Church.
Tuesday, December 24, 2024
“Before Jesus Was”by Alla Bozarth
Before supper in the upper room,
breakfast in the barn.
Before the Passover Feat, a feeding trough.
And here, the altar of Earth, fair linens of hay and seed.
Before his cry, her cry.
Before his sweat of blood, her bleeding and tears.
Before his offering, hers.
Before the breaking of bread and death,
the breaking of her body in birth.
Before the offering cup,
the offering of her breast.
Before his blood, her blood.
And by her body and blood alone,
his body and blood and whole human being.
The wise ones knelt to hear
the woman’s word in wonder.
Holding up her sacred child,
her spark of God in the form of a babe,
she said: “Receive and let your hearts be healed
and your lives be filled with love, for
This is my body, This is my blood.”
Tuesday, December 17, 2024
What Comes from the Holy Spirit Cannot be Stopped!” By Bridget Mary Meehan ARCWP- Ordination on Tiber on October 18, 2024
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| Bridget Mary Meehan ARCWP -Presiding at Eucharistic Liturgy |
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On Thursday, October 18, 2024, the Association of Roman Catholic Women Priests ordained six 4 women and 2 transgender persons on the Tiber as a prophetic witness that gender equality in ordained ministries is a reality now. Our movement, which I call a holy shakeup, is a spiritual revolution that is bringing new life and inclusivity to the Roman Catholic Church was covered by international media from France, Germany, Austria, Spain, Italy and the United States.
So, it should come as no surprise that Mary Theresa Streck and I were stopped by the Roman Police and Vatican guards as we entered St. Peter’s Square for the Canonization Mass of eleven martyrs on the following Sunday. A security guard approached me and said: Are you Bridget Mary Meehan? Suddenly, we were surrounded by several guards with badges, some of whom, werein uniforms. They asked for our passports and examined our bags. WE noticed that no one else was detained. They did not ask us any questions and assured us sometimes they do enhanced checks. I noticed that one official in the group was speaking to someone on the telephone. I wondered who he was speaking to and what was being said!. Finally, after about 25 minutes, one of the security guards escorted us to our seats.Obviously, someone approved of our attendance and the canonization liturgy was beautiful. In the end, we enjoyed seeing Pope Francis riding around the Square in his pope mobile!
On Friday, we gathered at the Jesuit center in Rome for a book signing of Rev. Jim Martin’s new book, Lazarus, Come Forth. I asked Fr. Jim if he would share our request for a conversation in the Spirit with Pope Francis in the coming Jubilee Year. He assured me that he would do so and asked that I send a formal request directly to the Pope which we did.
While Pope Francis is not comfortable ordaining women as deacons, the Synod on Synodality voted by a two-thirds majority to keep the ordination of women deacons on the table for ongoing discernment. In their words: “the question of women’s access to diaconal ministry remains open. This discernment needs to continue.”
The synod calls for greater involvement of women in the church, in decision-making. “There is no reason or impediment that should prevent women from carrying out leadership roles in the Church,” …what comes from the Holy Spirit cannot be stopped.”
And this is where I stand in faith, hope and love!
Indeed, nothing will stop the global movement toward gender equity- including our movement for gender equality in ordained ministries. We are walking in the footsteps of Rabbi Jesus who invited everyone to an open table of outpouring of love for all people and all creation.
I believe that what has been missing in the discernment process on women deacons is a conversation in the Spirit with Roman Catholic Women Priests on our 22 years of ministerial experience in fostering a church in which all are welcome to receive and celebrate sacraments including the divorced and remarried and LGBTQ+. We have grown from 7 to over 270 ordained ministers who are serving people-empowered, non-clerical sacramental communities of equals in 14 countriesaround the world.
Our holy shakeup is a spiritual revolution, that is building builds bridges of compassion and reconciliation by making connections between hurting hearts and broken spirits at the disengaged edges of Catholicism to create what Pope Francis calls a “church for everyone.”
We are prophets of the future engaged in the work of justice, equality, and evolutionary openness to growth.
Prophetic leader Sun Kyi’s advices that in the face of complex circumstances and injustices to:
“Don’t just stand there despairing, She says, do something!”
Just start somewhere!
This is what we are doing- making a path by walking it now, assured that “what comes from the Holy Spirit cannot be stopped!”
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May God bless and keep us.
May God’s face shine upon us and be gracious to us
May God give us peace, justice and equality everywhere!
Link to Roman Catholic Women Priests in Rome- Media Coverage
https://arcwprome.blogspot.com/2024/10/media-links-for-arcwp-tiber-ordination.html
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| From right to left, Christina Moreira ARCWP, Mary Theresa Streck ARCWP and Bridget Mary Meehan ARCWP in Rome 2023 Casa Bonus Pastor, (Diocese of Rome Seminary Residence) |
Love: A Meditation for the 4th Week of Advent by Denise Hackert Stoner ARCWP
https://open.substack.com/pub/denisehackertstoner/p/love?r=2kfqor&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
A pair of small birds, male and female, busily hunt for tiny insects hiding in the bark of a tree. The male approaches the female, food in beak, and offers it to her. She eats.
What drives one small bird to ensure the well-being of the other? Where does that instinct come from? Somehow, in some part of his tiny being, does he know that the eggs developing in her body will carry something of his very self into the future? Does he know that for their species to survive, she must survive and thrive?
For one to survive, so must the other. These two little beings are a mutual configuration, a pair. They are partners in a project called Life. Is this love?
A vast network of the gossamer threads called mycelium spreads through the soil of the forest. These root-like structures are the underground parts of fungi that occasionally send up fruits which we see above-ground as mushrooms. Many mycelia interweave with the tiny rootlets of trees. There, underground, these fungi feed the tree nutrients which they have collected from the soil. They also pass water to the tree. And in return, the tree feeds the fungi carbohydrates, which it has made through photosynthesis, and which the fungi lack the capacity to produce on their own.
One large being helping another. On some unknown level do they know that for each to live a healthier life so must the other? Is this love?….
Monday, December 16, 2024
Interview with Spanish Philosopher and Theologian Victorino Perez Prieto on Eco- Spirituality
https://magis.iteso.mx/nota/luz-para-restaurar-la-armonia/
Science, ecology, mysticism and ethics converge in the mind of the Spanish philosopher and theologian Victorino Pérez Prieto, who brings together thinkers from all walks of life to build a theoretical foundation with which to confront the climate crisis of the 21st century: “eco-spirituality.”
Praised be You, my Lord,
through our sister Mother Earth,
who sustains and governs us
and produces various fruits with colorful flowers and herbs.
—St. Francis of Assisi, “Canticle of the Creatures.”
Brother Sun and Sister Moon, or Brother Wind and Brother Fire, whom Saint Francis of Assisi mentions in his “Canticle of the Creatures,” are, for the Spaniard Victorino Pérez Prieto, something more than spiritual allegories: they are coded readings that can serve as a great guide in the face of the climate crisis facing the planet and humanity.
This philosopher and theologian, trained at the Instituto Teológico Compostelano and the Pontifical University of Salamanca, has spent more than three decades structuring the theoretical corpus that he himself has defined as “eco-spirituality” or “eco-theology”, a path in which he has drawn on figures from the Christian tradition as well as scientists and humanist thinkers to make an ecological reading of religious texts, but also to unite science and mysticism as a palliative path to the environmental disaster that the world is facing.
A PhD in Philosophy from the University of Santiago de Compostela and in Theology from the Pontifical University of Salamanca with a thesis on the thought and theology of the Catalan philosopher Raimon Panikkar, Pérez Prieto has worked as an academic at the University of San Buenaventura in Bogotá and at the University of La Salle in Madrid. He was a member of the editorial board of the journal Encrucillada , where he has published several theological articles, as well as being a member of the Juan XXIII Association of Theologians, the Latin American Amerindian Network of Theologians, the Ibero-American Network of Raimon Panikkar Scholars (RIAP), and the Association of Writers in the Galician Language.
A specialist in intercultural and interreligious dialogue, Pérez Prieto has dedicated a good part of his life to analyzing Panikkar's thought. To his credit are titles such as God, Man, World (Herder, 2008), The Search for Harmony in Diversity (Verbo Divino, 2014), The Panikkarian Dictionary (Herder, 2016) and, one of his most recent, Towards an Ecotheology (Fragmenta, 2023), where he condenses his vision of “ecospirituality,” a term that refers to spiritual development in close contact with caring for the earth.
Last April, Pérez Prieto visited ITESO to participate in the Open Classroom of the Jorge Manzano, SJ Chair.
How does the term ecospirituality arise ?
It is a word composed of the words ecology —although I actually prefer the word ecosophy— and spirituality. It arises from the moment you aspire to put the feeling of caring for the earth in contact with what spirituality attempts, which is to develop the human being in a close relationship with God, called to be with Him; as Saint Augustine already said, “You made us for yourself, Lord.” It is a spirituality that develops the human being with the awareness that he is earth, that we are with everything, we are not something apart; sometimes in spirituality the human being is superior, he has to become spiritualized. When we talk about ecology, we are not only talking about caring for nature; there is a cosmic dimension, that is, much higher, and it has to do with everything that is being human, the material and the spiritual.
Eco-spirituality helps me to have an idea of God that is more in line with what He really is, because that despotic, arbitrary, murderous God who sends evil does not exist, or at least He is not the God of Jesus; He was invented by the dominating patriarchy. On top of that, look at the absurdity of theology in thinking that God is masculine, when God is both mother and father—I remember a student walking out of my class at a Franciscan university in Bogotá when I said that. God cannot be the old man with a white beard. Eco-theology helps us to discover these lies that we have believed and to get closer to the reality of God.
You talk about reading the Bible in an ecological sense. Where do we find this interpretation?
When one reads the Bible in an ecological sense, it is fascinating. There are the psalms, which are wonderful poetry and are full of authentic hymns to creation. At the beginning of the Bible, Paradise is mentioned, but a poor interpretation led to it being underestimated, to thinking only of Adam and Eve and the apple. The first two chapters of Genesis are extremely wise. To begin with, the biblical author knew perfectly well that there was no man called Adam and no woman called Eve. Adam is a Hebrew word that means “earth,” that is, it means “coming out of the earth,” and Eve, “from the rib.” They are symbolic names that are expressing what the Earthly Paradise is: a world in total harmony with creatures. And what happened to the Earthly Paradise? Well, the rupture, the division of the human being, which begins precisely with hatred or fear of sex: that is the rupture of harmony.
Ecology speaks of the harmony that must exist between the Earth and the cosmos, between human beings and nature. That is the beginning of the Bible, and when one knows how to read in an ecological sense, one notices that in Deuteronomy, for example, when the people are going to enter the Promised Land, God gives them the rules for living there—which, when broken, cause them to lose harmony with nature and perish—sin is the breaking of harmony with nature. There is another beautiful text from Isaiah that speaks of when the tyrant falls and even the trees sing of that fall, because the woodcutter will no longer cut them down for weapons of war, that is, our brother forest is suffering from human violence.
You also talk about a green Jesus…
If we jump to the New Testament, Jesus, as I have written several times, was an ecologist, a man who lived in harmony, who did not overexploit the land; he was a carpenter and, therefore, he had to cut down trees to obtain wood, but one thing is cutting down trees and maintaining the balance of the forest in order to live with dignity, and another thing is the predatory capitalist spirit. A logging company does not just want to cut down a few trees in order to live with dignity: what it wants is to earn more and more, and “if I destroy the forest, I don’t care.” The spirit of Jesus is exactly the opposite of that and that is why he is always using rural images, of the seasons or of the harvest. Jesus’ parables constantly use elements of nature: the wheat that sprouts, the fig tree that is cared for so that it produces. Jesus’ culture is tremendously rural, and the man and woman of the countryside are people who truly love the land. When Jesus speaks of the Father’s care, he is telling us: “Look how the birds are not aware of themselves; However, his beauty leaves us absorbed; look at the beauty of the grass of the field that grows and tomorrow it is reaped, enjoy that presence”, this tells us that he was a man with his feet on the ground; he was not an abstract Greek philosopher, he was one of very concrete discourses.
When do you think this message was distorted?
The Enlightenment and scientific and technical thought have exacerbated the domination over nature. For many, Descartes is the father of contemporary thought. I have read Discourse on Method many times , I have read Descartes in depth in French and I think I am anti-Cartesian: Descartes is the thought of domination over nature. That is why his typical phrase, “man is the master and possessor of nature”, implies that nature is at his service and from there arises the creation of the machine and the technique to dominate it. However, this rupture has been there from the beginning, since Alexander the Great or in the Roman Empire, but the Christians who were first persecuted by the Empire later blessed it, and it continued to crush the barbarians with the blessing of the popes of Rome. Unfortunately it has always been like this.
And the cross was also used in the conquests of the New Continent…
Obviously, with the Renaissance and the conquests, the search for more wealth, which is destruction, of course. That means that the Master's message, the original message of the Bible, was quickly corrupted. Already in the first centuries of the Church, the corruption of Christianity began: in the Acts of the Apostles we find people who wanted to take advantage of the community. I like history and every time I go to a place, it is always the same: ruins. This means that some have tried to build and then others have destroyed. We have all heard about Jericho, which was such an incredibly fertile space, surrounded by desert. All civilizations wanted to dominate Jericho. So what is Jericho? Layer upon layer, destruction. That violent, predatory and dominating spirit is there. Domination means oppression, what I oppress will oppress me, that is always the case.
BETWEEN SPIRITUAL SONGS AND HYMNS
During his participation in the Jorge Manzano, SJ Chair, Pérez Prieto spoke about the ethical imperative that must govern in the years to come. For the thinker, the human being of the 21st century is either an environmentalist or he will not be one, because he knows that there will not be a 22nd century if people do not know how to live in harmony and if they destroy what surrounds them.
“I published my first book on ecology almost 30 years ago — Ecologism and Christianity (Sal Terræ, 1999) — so I have been thinking about this for some time. Today, the text of Jesus in the desert is not usually read in this way, and look how wonderful: Jesus is in harmony with the harshness of the desert and that is why he can remain there for all that time, because the elements are not against him. One imagines Jesus like these Hindu sages in the lotus position and able to spend days or weeks without moving and even without needing to drink. For me, this text is the expression of the cosmic and natural harmony that Jesus had,” he explains.
In Towards an Ecotheology , Pérez Prieto addresses those he considers to have contributed most to this idea of eco-spirituality: St. Francis of Assisi, St. John of the Cross and the Jesuit priest Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. He takes three religious texts from them: the “Canticle of Creatures” by St. Francis, the “Spiritual Canticle” by St. John of the Cross and the “Hymn to Matter” by Teilhard de Chardin.
Your first great reference in this idea was Saint Francis of Assisi. How do you get to him?
St. Francis was such a seductive figure that he was canonized a few years after his death. He knew how to live and recover that broken harmony with nature. His contemporaries say that he cried when contemplating nature. It was not a pose: he was able to write not only a cosmic and mystical hymn, but a literary piece of magnificent size. The “ Canticle of the Creatures” is at the birth of the Italian language, which is why it is so valued: the Romance languages were just beginning, but were still a corruption of Latin. The poem is born from his experience of the harmony between the earth and the cosmos. That is why I say that St. Francis is not only the patron saint of ecologists, but he is also their father.
And what about the cases of St. John of the Cross and Teilhard de Chardin?
Saint John is a tremendously ecological man. There are anecdotes told by his disciples and when one reads the “Spiritual Canticle” in an ecological key, one sees how everything fits together: the delicate care, the flowers to be seen, not to be plucked: “I will neither pick the flowers nor fear the beasts. And I will cross the forts and borders,” he writes. From him we learn a balance between the earth and the cosmos. Teilhard de Chardin is really the pinnacle, above all because he wrote and reflected on it much more; he speaks of the fact that matter is beautiful, that we are children of the earth, and that, if you are able to communicate with God, it is thanks to matter. It is the maximum mystical expression of the communion between spirit and matter, between God and the creature.
SCIENCE, MYSTICISM AND ECOLOGY
For Pérez Prieto, philosophy exists as an antidote to stupidity, and ecology helps us to be aware of where we are and what we are doing. Science, which establishes empirical relational patterns, also draws from other sources.
Part of his interest is to find the parallels between science and mysticism. For him, there are even scientific clues in sacred books and in the centuries-old statements of St. Francis of Assisi or St. John of the Cross, or what the Eastern mystics were already saying is what physicists are now concluding. “We are one with the cosmos, with the earth, we are not here to dominate, but to care, and sin against the earth always turns against us, which is what Deuteronomy says: 'If you do not comply with these laws, you will die', and the laws are to maintain balance and care for the earth: do not be a predator, be a gardener,” he says.
Science has told us over the last 20 or 30 years that the world works as a system, and that what we do at one latitude of the planet will have repercussions elsewhere, a bit like the Butterfly Effect. What is the relationship between eco-spirituality and the scientific and conservationist vision?
My book begins by talking about the science of complexity, which is born from quantum physics, which goes back to an old physics that goes back to Albert Einstein. The great Einstein, when he spoke with Max Planck, said: “This is madness. God does not play dice.” But quantum physics says: “Yes, God does play dice.” Edgar Morin says: “The world is a chaosmos , a chaocosmos .” And how is it maintained? Precisely because of a harmony that is never broken by disharmony. The physics of complexity speaks of the interrelation of everything with everything else. The most important thing that science has discovered is the relational reality of the cosmos: that matter, rather than corpuscles, is packets of waves in motion.
So how do you get to mysticism through science?
There is a book by my teacher Panikkar in collaboration with the director of the Max Planck Institute in Munich, Hans Peter Dürr, entitled Love, the original source of the universe . It was written by an agnostic physicist and a Christian theologian, and both agree on the title, that is, the origin of the universe is love or the search for harmony. I am not a supporter of creatio ex nihilo —that which is created from nothing—, but of creatio continua —the continuous creative activity of God. The Bible does not say that God made the world from nothing; what it says is that God, from chaos, made cosmos, separated light from darkness. This awareness is, to a certain extent, what physics defends most today. Advancing through the philosophy of Edgar Morin's complex thought and the relational thought of Panikkar has allowed me to walk through religions, then through the Bible and through Christian theology, to arrive at mysticism. Science and mysticism are intimately linked, they are saying the same thing. That is why I start from the branches, I start from the material and from reality; I am not a theologian who is inventing a discourse, but I use other thinkers; we walk on the shoulders of giants, which is a brilliant expression from the Middle Ages, that is why we can see further.
It's interesting that you talked about enlightenment and humanism earlier, because another very interesting idea also emerged at that time, that of the noble savage, by Rousseau, who claims that as a society we have lost certain values, but it is the native peoples who have preserved them. You have said that, as a civilization, the Mayans and the Aztecs ended up destroying themselves. In Mexico, there are those who see them as idyllic societies.
A colleague of yours told me that there were the Mayans, that they were an ecological culture. And yes, but do you know how the Mayans ended up? We have a lot to learn from these pre-Columbian cultures and from the concept of Pachamama, for example. But at the same time we must be critical, as with Christianity, which is the most sublime message of the centuries – critical, not of Christ, but of Christianity and the Church. We must also be critical of other cultures, before and after; that is the past, which was idyllic, as you said about Rousseau. Cavemen were beasts with women. Patriarchy overcame matriarchy by the truncheon, because it was stronger, but women had wisdom. Empires win because they have more lethal weapons. In my book, the wisdom of all these pre-Columbian cultures appears, or the wisdom of the Celts. Of course, we can say that those cultures were indeed wise and that the conquistadors came and finished them off. But then, why did the local people flee from the Mayans or the Aztecs? Why did the smaller towns favour those who came from outside? This must always be kept in mind. The ancestral wisdom is there and we do very well to learn from it. But, be careful! Do not idealise, because all of them are touched by Adam's sin.
What do you mean by Adam's sin?
Adam symbolises humanity, he is human history. The Earthly Paradise is not really a past, but a future, it is the messianic kingdom. Primitive man was no less a beast than today, only his weapons were not as lethal. Panikkar speaks of the “new innocence”, as opposed to a presumed Adamic innocence that is unreal; what we need is a new innocence, that is, to reach an authentic balance. In that sense, this question is good in your context, that of the Jesuits. I am critical of my Church, but it is my Church. I am a Christian because I believe that the best message that has been given in all centuries is that of Jesus. I am not a Muslim, although I am very interreligious and I have Muslim friends; they respect Jesus very much, as a prophet, and in this sense I believe that we Christians must learn from other religions and other cultures, and we must investigate more in our Christian roots, because that is there; the problem is that it is buried by a Western, rationalist and dominating interpretation.
It is not a question of saying, then, that the problem is sin. It is not just a moral question; sin means rupture, division, lack of harmony. Sin is what St. Paul says: “I do not know what is happening to me. I know very well what I should do, but I do what I should not do.” That has always been the case. And, as Jesus said, the wheat and the weeds will coexist until the end. I believe that the important thing is lucidity. Trying to walk in the light, constantly seeking harmony, fleeing from everything that breaks that harmony.
There are those who claim that the only valid major ethical problem of the 21st century is ecology, which is the discussion we must have as humanity; others might think that we are facing a lost cause, given the state of the world and capitalist development. Where do you think we are moving?
It is important to talk about ecology not only because of the care of nature. For example, for me, as a religious person, we must also talk about eco-theology. Theology is a revealed word, but it is thought, elaboration and logic – let’s say, to the extent that God can be logically elaborated, which is impossible, but oh well…. Why is it important? Not only because we manage to stop the climate problem… I am not at all sure that we will manage to do so, and there are scientists who say that we have almost reached a point of no return, but we are going to free the Earth as much as possible. Eco-spirituality is valid for being and existing here. Existing in a destructive way is not the same as existing in a constructive way. Existing unconsciously is not the same as existing consciously. My book begins by talking about superficiality. Panikkar said that the biggest problem in our world is superficiality. He begins by talking about science, about quantum physics, which seems the most distant thing, and ends by talking about spirituality.
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